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chevy chase
12:50 Wed May 8
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Apparently one of the sunken US Battleships is still leaking oil?
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Leonard Hatred
10:46 Tue May 7
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Well that's not very nice is it?
You've hurt my feelings now.
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Keep dreaming
10:28 Tue May 7
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Talk to me? Ok, you asked for it.
Fuck off you old boring abusing cunt
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Far Cough
8:16 Tue May 7
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Lee, they could have been Hawaiian born Japanese?
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Side of Ham
8:15 Tue May 7
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I wonder if they do that when visiting those camps that helped build that bridge over a river?
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Lee Trundle
7:55 Tue May 7
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I've been lucky enough to go to Pearl Harbour.
The thing I took away from it was how apologetic the Japanese tourists were that were there. Throwing flowers in the water over the wreaks, and in tears. The seem genuinely sorry about what happened.
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Far Cough
7:41 Tue May 7
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Wiki describes it a lot better than I:
The attack took place before any formal declaration of war was made by Japan, but this was not Admiral Yamamoto's intention. He originally stipulated that the attack should not commence until thirty minutes after Japan had informed the United States that peace negotiations were at an end.
However, the attack began before the notice could be delivered. Tokyo transmitted the 5000-word notification (commonly called the "14-Part Message") in two blocks to the Japanese Embassy in Washington. Transcribing the message took too long for the Japanese ambassador to deliver it at 1:00 p.m. Washington time, as ordered, and consequently the message was not presented until more than one hour after the attack had begun — but in fact, American code breakers had already deciphered and translated most of the message hours before it was scheduled to be delivered.
The final part of the message is sometimes described as a declaration of war. While it was viewed by a number of senior American government and military officials as a very strong indicator negotiations were likely to be terminated and that war might break out at any moment, it neither declared war nor severed diplomatic relations. A declaration of war was printed on the front page of Japan's newspapers in the evening edition of December 8 (late December 7 in the United States), but not delivered to the American government until the day after the attack.
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Far Cough
7:36 Tue May 7
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Because that is exactly what happened, the Jap embassy was supposed deliver the final part BEFORE the attack on Pearl in fact Yamamoto was pissed off that they didn't and it gave Roosevelt the moral upper hand in declaring war Because of "the dastardly attack" don't forget a large portion of the American public didn't want to get involved.
Of course it was war in any case, ultimatum delivered or not delivered on time.
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SurfaceAgentX2Zero
6:41 Tue May 7
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FC
That doesn't make much sense, mate.
Of course, Yamamoto would claim that he didn't launch an attack without declaring war.
Also, how would Japan declaring war before attacking Pearl Harbour have prevented Roosevelt joining the war?
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Far Cough
4:34 Tue May 7
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Admiral Yamamoto made it clear that a declaration of war be submitted BEFORE the actual attack on Pearl, it didn't because the Japanese embassy took too long in decoding and typing out the final part.
That of course pissed off the Americans and gave Roosevelt all he needed to join the war.
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charleyfarley
4:13 Tue May 7
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One of the enduring myths about Signals Intelligence in the Second World War is that Britain’s Prime Minister Winston Churchill knew from intercepted messages that the Japanese were going to attack Pearl Harbor in December 1941 but kept the fact secret to bring the USA into the war on the Allied side. A variant of the myth has US President Roosevelt as part of the secret, looking for a pretext to bring his country into the war.
The myth is false. The strategic situation in the Far East was such that war with Japan had become more likely. Rumours of a Japanese attack in South East Asia had been reported from Bletchley Park some days before the actual attacks, and, ironically, the report had been shared with US intelligence, but the report was vague and assumed that the Japanese would invade Thailand.
Both the US and the UK had underestimated Japanese intentions and capabilities and did not imagine that they might be capable of such strategic surprise.
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munkyfunk
10:27 Tue May 7
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daveyg 1:53 Fri May 3
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Great track from making movies👍
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zebthecat
3:07 Fri May 3
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Great film, still watch this once in a while.
Midway is its twin which is not so good but Toshiro Mufuno did quiet seething anger superbly as Admiral Yamamoto.
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Alfs
2:36 Fri May 3
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I've heard that story too, Mike. Apparently, Churchill believed that if the Japs attacked the US, the US would enter WW2 as our allies. Which indeed they did.
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daveyg
1:53 Fri May 3
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Tora,Tora,Tora,Taxi see you tomorrow my son.
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Mike Oxsaw
10:07 Thu May 2
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When I was living/working in the Netherlands, I was friends with a Dutch guy who was adamant that the Japanese "Pearl Harbour" fleet was sighted by a Dutch submarine in the area and it's activities reported back to Europe, eventually arriving on Winston Churchill's desk.
He could have passed the information onto the USA, but chose not to.
However, never, ever saw such a story from any other source.
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Matthew Holmes
9:28 Thu May 2
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got/ had to watch this for history A level
really great film
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memorable history lesson
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charleyfarley
9:09 Thu May 2
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Yes remember the film...radar was in it's infancy and the 2 radar operators reported activity on their screens to their superiors but he dismissed it and the rest is history as they say
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zico
8:44 Thu May 2
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Got it on DVD but haven't seen it for years. Great film though, far better than the dreadful flag waving Pearl Harbour. Watched 1976 Battle of Midway again recently and that was a decent watch.
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violator
6:51 Thu May 2
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Album track from the Depeche Mode debut, Speak & Spell
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